[QUOTE]Sites being heavily penalized by Google

 

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Two of my websites plus I know one of my friends websites are being heavily punished by google. All 3 websites have been using coop adnetwork. Ive removed all coop code and will never use it again. Thanks for nothing =/[/QUOTE]

 

 

[QUOTE=fryman;1027943]Newbies :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]

 

[QUOTE=fryman;1028128]Well, since you are the one that is crying all the time about how much the coop sucks and how terrible it is it is only logical to come here and post your crap also.

 

Not going to waste my time with you.[/QUOTE]

 

 

[QUOTE=mrconstantine;1029405]mines gone too! dosn't even show up on google when i type the domain name without the .com ! I just put the coop on about a week ago ffs. I noticed a huge myspace site mypimpspace has completely gone too. Will my ranking come back? I just took it off.[/QUOTE]

 

[QUOTE=mrconstantine;1031006]I knew it was co op! why would a site mypimpspace which was ranked like number 3 for 'myspace codes' , an extremely comeptitive keyword thanks to the thousands of myspace sites out there... It has thousads of backlinks, PR5... suddenly drop off the listings to be bured under a ton of pages? the co op is evil, stay away!

 

Edit: just googled for another huge myspace site... coshed, thats dropped off aswell , and using co op![/QUOTE]

 

 

[QUOTE=WabbyTwax;1030226]No your site is not gone just buried under 4 pages of other crap. If you even search for the domain name without the ".com" it comes up on like page 3 or 4. This is without a doubt a punishment by Google. All I can hope is that its not permanent because I was using all of my weight to help my smaller sites out. I didnt even need the SEO help with the sites I was running it on. After looking into it more my theory is that they are punishing sites that are seen linking out to a specific site or list of sites. So in theory Im hoping that simply removing the code and waiting long enough perhaps 1 or more months my ranking will come back. Good luck everybody =/ This sucks. This hasnt affected everybody (yet) because I know people that have this coop and havent been bothered. I think it would be inevitible if they continued to use the coop though and they have removed the coop code.[/QUOTE]

 

 

[QUOTE=Art;1030261]Perhaps we shouldn't jump to such conclusions... Lets take for example, the last update:

 

The Big Daddy update caused a lot of shuffling which immediately caused people to worry about penalizations. I can admit that I was initially worried too... until last night when one of my sites got another mass of pages indexed.

 

There's natural fluctuation in the SERPs all the time, I was ranking #1 for a few phrases, they've -just- dropped to 30something, but it's nothing to worry about until this sort of thing becomes the norm.[/QUOTE]

 

 

[QUOTE=wizteen;1030393]sounds like coop is being penalized with a -30 to -40 position drop for all terms all my sites usig coop have no terms left in top 10 all a sudden[/QUOTE]

 

 

[QUOTE=debunked;1030617]I don't use co-op so I can't say I have experience with that. But I have competitors that DONT use the co-op who I have seen drop 30 spots, so I don't think that you can say anything for sure on the co-op affecting sites.............................QUOTE]

 

 

[QUOTE=alext;1037962]Check the Google forum here on DP. There are plenty of people complaining about Google these days. Personally I do not think the main problems people are having with Google are related to link networks.

 

Spam websites with 5 billion pages reported comes to mind. "Bad data push"...[/QUOTE]

 

[QUOTE=softgroups;1040747]Hey guys maiby the problem is not getting penalizated because of COOP. Maiby that you got links from COOP , and now google don't care of them... to much. maiby google had some soime of your links because of the DP COOP into some kind of cache pages, and now it just refreshed thoses and didn't found the new links anymore...[/QUOTE]

 

[QUOTE=Bastardo;1041741]That is exactly what I had going on, using my big site to push weight to smaller ones.[/QUOTE]

 

[QUOTE=minstrel;1044561]Yes, but remember that Big Daddy was a very complex (and flawed!) update and that many sites that have never even heard of the Coop or LinkVault or similar schemes have also tanked.

 

Haven't you heard? Google really IS broken this time. :eek:[/QUOTE]

 

[QUOTE=Big Richard;1049236]I think the linking has to do with several things not just one:

- link churn - the rate at which a document/webpage aquires and losses links

- link relevancy - is the link on theme with the content

- target link page - is the link going to a spammy page

- anchor text changes - how it changes over time

- link location - if the link is in the main page text or is it in the footer

- link use - is the link actually used by the web user

- link networking - is the link part of a network

- reciprocal linking - is the link reciprocal

 

There are probably a host of other things, but I think the death nell has sounded for gaining easy SERP's through link exchanges.

 

I don't see to much of an issue with buying links - provided they are themed to the site etc. I think it is all about quality and relevance now - where it used to be just a numbers game ( which is where the COOP worked ) or PR boosting which is where link dealers came in. I'm not going to shed any tears - just work on my content from now on - it seems every little new SEO trick gets a shorter and shorter life spam and the only thing that is sustainable and works consistently is quality content. 

 

I also think we have just seen the tip of the iceberg and you should expect more crack down on falsly inflaited SERP's through link networks to come. Lets face it, it has been coming for a while and I have personnally been suprised the crackdown has not come a lot sooner.[/QUOTE]

 

 

[QUOTE=williamjack;1044106]Thanks [B]will[/B] to make clear.Same thing happened to my site [url]www.katrina-kaif.net.Site[/url] was in top 7 in google for katrina kaif keyword.But when i add this site to coop ad the links in yahoo increased but ranking decreased to 11th place know.Same thing happened to my other sites also.I was thinking the same reason as you said but was not clear.But i removed the coop now[/QUOTE]

 

 

[QUOTE=Dio;1044308]I'd have to concur - now all 4 of my sites with Coop on are nowhere, this seems to be happening now and ongoing. Last night, two were out of the top serps by a long way, and two were in. This morning the other two have now dropped off the radar. All other non-coop sites are fine.

 

What's really pissing me off about this, if it transpires to be the case is Google's double standards. It's penalizing webmasters for selling adspace (not even selling it, giving it away!) The fact that an free advertising link can affect the target site's rankings so much is Google's fault and fixable their end - it's a weakness in their system, not in webmasters wanting to make the most of their sites.

 

What is the message here - links are bad? They don't mind putting links on your page when they're adwords paid - it's disgraceful. What with this and the nofollow nonsense, google are losing a lot of support from webmasters. There is nothing wrong with selling adspace on your site. Nothing. If Google can't cope with it, they need to take a long hard look at what they're doing to filter it from their SERPs.

 

This is of course if this turns out to be what the problem is, I'm increasingly thinking it is. I hope to be proved wrong and made to eat my words, but if they are penalizing the coop then it just highlights their weaknesses, not the coop's.[/QUOTE]

 

 

[QUOTE=croc;1046148]Hi there,

 

I am staggered by all this moaning about Google giving you guys a penalty. Using the co-op link system is simply trying to cheat the search engines into thinking you have more backlinks than you have put the effort into getting..

 

It is pure CHEATING!

 

If you think you were in the network to generate traffic, or some other pathetic reason, then you are only kidding yourself.

 

If you have received the penalty, it is deserved. There are sites out there, mine included that have put years on effort into getting into their ranking position.

 

Like the saying goes, if it was easy and worked, everyone would be doing it. If you took the risk, you now pay the penalty - literally.[/QUOTE]

 

 

[QUOTE=nbj622;1400027]after reading the entire 14 pages of this thread, i have come to some deductions:

 

1) coops are now close to 100% USELESS at building TOP RANKING pages. (thanks to Big Daddy) google has improved the equation and no longer awards points for irrelevant links. Will you be penalized? maybe, depending on how many banned links and irrelevant (overused, bought) links you are serving. footer links are more likely to be fully ignored (not penalized).

 

2) having sponsored or advertisement listed next to coop links IS a good idea! Google DOES IT for adwords/adsense, and it would NOT BE DIFFICULT to program that type of check whatsoever. As a webmaster, you should no longer be trying to conceal coop links as ADS, because it takes much less than a genious (or smart program) to realise they are there for PAGERANK purposes rather than getting clicks. So if you are intent on using coop - use NOINDEX and/or write 'advertisements'.

 

3) Google prefers pages that are linked with ONLY relevant links (not necessarily relevant only to the site, but also to the discussion(text) within it and around the links.). Matt Cutts' blog is exactly structured this way. Try using ONLY relevant links, this should do the opposite of using COOP links. oh wait... im going to have to actually be creative instead of copy/paste code, damn thats not part of the plan.

 

4) SVicious, I checked your Alexa ratings of late. you are doing HALF the volume (according to alexa) as when this post was originally written. not a good sign for your links. not saying you were punished, but they probably arent doing you any good either (unless theyre making you money ;) ). i doubt that tho.

 

5) Fryman - ... :eek: .... wow. every forum has one guy like that.

 

I believe that COOP ads were indeed disruptive to some peoples sites. WHY??   because they placed predominently visable COOP links that had nothing to do with their sites, and linked to sites that google DID NOT LIKE, while not writting 'advertisement' or 'sponsor' near them. If you want to prove me different, plz do, i am no means an expert here, please show screenshots of your top ranked site that contradict my explicit guidelines. 

 

good to hear that google isnt a complete a@$ and will reinclude your site with a nice apology for obstructing their RULES AGAINST USING LINK COOPS!. i think that says it all. :rolleyes:

 

..thanks to all you novices for the great info about COOPS/LINKS/PR/KEYWORDS ... took me over 2 hours to ponder all this madness, I have to say I learnt quite a bit. :D[/QUOTE]